Second Chances

It’s been almost 20 years since my husband and I got married. The first 6 or so years can be likened to a fairy tale gone wrong..very wrong. I don’t like to get into the dirty details, but we were headed to hell in a hand basket at Mach 10. When we met, we both partied..rather hard in fact. Without telling all of the sordid tales, there’s not much we haven’t done in “the world” ..with a few exceptions, because we both HATE needles.. even getting immunizations puts me in a mental freeze. The ONE tattoo I have was enough needles for me..but nonetheless..the things we DID DO almost destroyed our lives, our marriage and our entire family was suffering.

You know that verse from the bible about people who tear down their own homes with their hands? Yes, that was us.

Charity after charity had to help us and we had used up every resource in our town trying to stay afloat all while punching more holes in our ‘boat’ along the way. We were ‘drowning’.

One awful night.. I finally left and called the police. I broke. I had enough. Words cannot describe how broken I was..but apparently I wasn’t broke enough.

We were on the verge of splitting up when a man invited us to yet another church. (eye roll) Would this be the one where we could be on a road to recovery? I didn’t know if I had it in me to try again. I didn’t think my husband did either..but we thought we’d try.

After about a month there, it was obvious that he wasn’t ready, yet I couldn’t keep going down the same destructive path.

It wasn’t long before his downhill spiral was just too obvious to the church, our neighbors, and the few ‘friends’ we had. I had to get my 2 girls and myself out of there. He was barely coming home at all at that point anyway. His drug abuse and my endless ugly nagging was tearing us both apart and our girls witnessing all of the ugliness.

And I’m giving you the cleaned up version of our past filth.

Those years were an utter nightmare, but somewhere along the way my husband finally came back to town…after being off the radar for 3 months. Not knowing if he was dead or alive was something I would never want for anyone to go through. No one in town knew where he was. I called the hospital, the jails, I googled for him. He was..gone.

Those 3 months felt like a lifetime.

At bed time each night I would hear the sweet little voice of my oldest (who was 5 at the time) “Where’s daddy?”

Night after night.

Biting my tongue, trying to find my own composure, I calmly told her, “we’re going to trust God with daddy and he knows right where daddy is and I believe that God is ministering to daddy in ways we can’t.”

Kissing her forehead and tucking her in for the night…knowing she will ask the same question tomorrow… it got more difficult.

I refused to give her any doubt and had to fight my way through the dark valley myself, but I just had to figure this ‘faith thing’ out.

Without dragging you through all of my story in one blog post I will simply say that everything we went through was something I would not wish on my worst enemy. The ugliness of our past has no bling to it at all, nothing to sift through, the only gold you will find is who we are today and how we have reconciled, fought hard to save our marriage and now we’re approaching 20 years of marriage.

And yet we are still growing and making our way though life…with our blessed second chance. He should have never come back to me and I should have never taken him back…well some people believed that…but we didn’t. Most people we knew at the time wanted us to get a divorce. Our problems were too much for our friends and loved ones to handle. Our ugliness was breaking all of them too.

It got to where I hid it all. I stopped talking about our problems and for the sake of my own sanity and faith, I had to stop leaning on them for a listening ear.

We were the prodigals, my husband and I. We made our way ‘home’ in His tender embrace, he wiped away our tears and kept all of them in a bottle. Our pain and turmoil yielded many tears and those tears are sacred to Him.

Could it be that he has shelves and shelves of large bottles of all our tears and perhaps, could it be possible? That he may be using all those tears to water us now and bring forth fruit on our tree of life?

We have a ministry..it springs forth from our hearts..from the brokeness of our past.. to help others to get a second chance.

Because someone else’s ugliness is not too much for us to handle hearing about. We’ve been there.

We know how dark the valley is for them and how hard it is to find others who are willing to hold their hand and walk with them through the darkness.

Our prayer is that they will look within, as we did..and realize the light is within them and their brokenness is how the light shines through...Serena Woods says our brokenness makes us into lamps.

People don’t need to be enabled, they need to be lifted up so they can realize their potential and have confidence that they can make it through.

But it doesn’t help when they look over the horizon and see raging hostile people ready to stone them to death.

We got a second chance at life. Can you give people a second chance?

If not, can you at least remain silent so others can?

Grace, it’s so radical that some find it to be offensive while others find their way back to life through it.

There are three people on my heart today…

  • Casey Anthony
  • Kevin Schatz
  • Elizabeth Schatz

Casey pleaded not guilty and that infuriates people!

Kevin and Elizabeth pleaded guilty…and that infuriates people.

You see even a repentant heart that fully confesses doesn’t soothe the hostility and rage in the hearts of some people.

And yet Jesus said that if you hate in your heart YOU have already committed murder.

Guilty as charged…all of us.

I’m not asking anyone to allow these 3 people into their lives, to support them financially, or allow them to baby sit your children…but may I be so bold as to ask… be silent.

Hold your tongue. Bind your rage.

There are ministers of the Gospel of Grace who are reaching out to offer the same second chance we’ve been blessed to receive..because grace is what saves us.

When we forgive others, our Father forgives us.

And whoever is forgiven much, will love HIM much.

How will Casey, Kevin, and Elizabeth develop a deeper love for Father? Through grace, it’s the only way.

Jesus made the way possible..the door is wide open and we want to minister grace so they can discover this healing within.

Don’t block the way!

Where can you direct your energy..the energy that drives your anger over lives lost…? That energy can be shifted, reshaped, and formed into something positive.

If you have a heart to minister grace..the grace that gives us all a second chance, won’t you please join the many of us by raising this awareness of grace?

Joy did.

Sarah Markley did.

Can you raise awareness about books that deceive?

Elizabeth Esther did.

The community at No Longer Quivering does this on a regular basis.

Because while we can minister grace to bring healing to the lives that have been broken, we also need to put our feet down as a community..to educate people of the dangers of some forms of child ‘discipline’. It’s a preventative measure.

And don’t forget to pray…for the victims. They need healing.

The Schatz children will have a life long journey to find full healing..but it doesn’t help them to grow up to see the constant rage the community has over their sister’s death. No one hurts more than they do. And a couple of those children are old enough to read what you’re all saying about their parents. So please use your words wisely… use grace. Otherwise your hostile words heap more coals on their innocent, precious heads.

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My precious son, Timmy. Who never had to see his mommy and daddy’s past.

Seventh Century Faith

I am an American who follows Christ organically by faith. Some call me a Christian, some call me a heretic. Some denominations just can’t seem to believe that a Christian might possibly get a different interpretation out of parables and thus they must ‘not really be saved’. I write this article as a Christ follower who has studied the ancient history of my lineage that goes back to the ancient days of Germany, called Germania. This is a fictional ‘what if’ story to prayerfully bring light to the false ‘missionary’ work that was forced upon my ancestors and hopefully help educate us as to the mysterious global work of our Creator.

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What if I were born in the 7th century? The ancient lineage of my family comes from the Germanic tribes, of which were pagan. Country dwellers that lived off the land.  I imagine waking up to prepare for the upcoming solstice with my family. It’s been a yearly tradition for my ancestors for as long as I can remember…8 high days (sabbats) a year..we honor our ancestors and celebrate the changing of seasons, to give thanks for the blessings we have been given by the Divine. Our family had learned about the rituals that brought our minds into rest with these celebrations, the reflection of giving remembrance for those things we express gratitude for. We have our choice of who to give honor to, the nature spirits for keeping us shaded in the hot summer, the shining ones who look upon us and shine light as we need them to guide us, and we keep the memories of our ancestors alive in our minds and hearts as we pass on this beautiful culture to the next generation. Don’t forget gratitude. Don’t forget your family. Keep them written on the pages of your heart. Surely our ancestors live on forever, we have always been taught that they do. Eternal life is an age old belief.

These beautiful traditions were all we knew of, the only way we understood how to relate to the Divine within us. We knew there was something, some energy, a force of some kind, that kept us desiring to wake up each day. That stirring within our bosoms that kept us thirsting for more, that awakening that reverberated within our hearts. We couldn’t deny this inner voice that guided us along the paths of life, that led us to wellsprings of water for our weary souls. We were raised to make ready for more difficult days. We knew a time would come when our harmony would be disrupted, our traditions would be forbidden, and our land raped for it’s natural resources. We respected the land and only took what was necessary. We took in reverence, making each withdrawal from the land as a sacred moment, and giving back with new seeds planted. But we knew the land would be forsaken some day.

We embraced the land as the beauty that she was, feeling the connection we had with her as we felt the breeze through our hair and while she carried the fragrance of the incense into the heavens. We knew that life was a gift and to be embraced and lived abundantly. But we felt her groaning more each day. Something was coming. We knew it deep down and we prayed for the shining ones to guide us as those days grew darker.

The day came as we felt the earth rumbling beneath our bare feet. We were troubled within. I didn’t have the desire to make flower wreaths for the upcoming celebration, something wasn’t right. The rumbling grew louder and the small movements of the earth jolted harder and then we knew a herd of animals was on it’s way, but it wasn’t the sound of joyful prancing, it was the noise of war with death coming on the wind.

Large men on rugged beasts shrouded in silver armor came into our village with shouting and swords. I heard screams and crackling fire. The smell of death was thick and I didn’t understand this war that raged.

We didn’t understand their tongue and they didn’t understand ours.

Tears streaming.

Barely breathing.

Gulping for breath.

Knots in our throats.

What had we done wrong?

They held their symbol as high as they could and pointed in anger.

My mother, the medicine woman, who provided herbal remedies for the village, was forced to her knees.

She was made to be the example, I think. It was difficult to understand.

Why were they making her bow so low before this large red cross?

She shook her head in defiance, my sweet mother dear. She stood to her feet, against their command, and pointed to our altar. The altar in which we had paid homage to since the ancient of days. The place in which we gathered in remembrance of the Divine who looked after us for so many years. It was our family heritage. A heritage of gratitude, of love, in which we learned to be forgiving and to forgive. It was a ritual of remembrance and honor of what we had been awakened to within. Our spiritual practice that bound our community together in love.

The forest blazed red with flames, though not of the flames of our fire sacrifices of lavender and oil. This was the flames of death that seemed to rage from their nostrils.

My mother tried to run toward my sister to aid her with her bleeding wounds, but she was stopped by a burly man with the iron mask. His arms were wrapped in steel vines, tightly woven together as clothing. I had never seen anything like this before.

He pulled my mother by her hands and bound her wrists together, tightly he wound that cord around her. Then her feet.

His army lifted my mother to an altar.

And there they lit the altar on fire with their torches.

My mother screams in pain.

She looks me in the eye and says “Don’t forget gratitude. Don’t forget your spiritual journey. These dark days will end, but do not forget the ancestors and all they did for us.”

Her last breath was a deep silent sigh and then she left us that day.

I was next.

They forced me to my knees and pointed again to the red cross on their flag.

Deep breath.

Eyes wide open, trying to stay fully awake. Trying to understand their gestures as I look into their angry eyes.

They wanted us to pay homage to their altar, to their deity.

My head was forced to the ground.

In the fear of the moment, my father stepped forward and bowed his knee reverently. Calmly.

He motioned to our tribe to do the same.

They all bowed and we were spared… but over 4,000 had not been spared throughout our land.

I felt betrayal on my heart. We had forsaken the shining ones, the nature spirits, and the traditions of our ancestors…to save our lives.

We were made to cut down the trees and with each tree that fell, I pleaded for forgiveness. I am forced to take more than what was needed. In my heart, I gave thanks, I held each tree as sacred. I asked forgiveness.

Each pine and cypress that came down was a sacrifice for our lives.

My mother was sacrificed to this red cross god to make us join their customs.

We were forced into slavery and made to build their temples.

Where we once worshiped in nature, we were made to be encompassed by man made rocks built high above our heads.

Each seven days we were awakened at dawn to walk into the man made temple.

We listened to the words, but did not understand.

We then were made to kneel and bow our heads…. or suffer as mother did.

They called us witches and forbade us from collecting  leaves for ailments.

I wasn’t sure who this god was, the one in which they slaughtered innocent people..does such a god exist? Could they have been wrong? Perhaps they misunderstood the Divine.

For hundreds of years our people were made to pay homage to this other god. We had to learn their language so we could communicate. Those years were so dark. Each passing generation, the ancestors were becoming a distant memory. Our ancient writings were taken from us and any kind of writing we made was done in secret.

I could not deny this inner voice that spoke sweet grace to me. It was them who condemned my mother to death, not the Divine. It was burdensome to hear them shout that we were rejected by their god. We were hated and in turn they hated us too. But the tender grace that soothed my soul like honey kept me hoping for better days.

Was my mother’s life not enough for them? For their god?

They said their god gave his sacrifice too and that his blood appeased the anger, but the anger boiled hotter as each day passed.

I began to wonder who their god really was. Was his sacrifice enough or not? Their religion confused me, but their religious practices seemed all too familiar.

Their rituals seemed to mimic that of our own.

The circles, the chants, the burning incense.

They spoke words known as Latin, those words were spoken over flat bread and wine then shared among the people.

Could it be that they followed a different spirit, a chaotic being that didn’t value life?

In the ancient days we gave the outer regions to the chaos beings. I began to pray that chaos would be bound.

The ages passed on.

In my old age, shoulders hunched, my great granddaughter comes to me in a vision and proclaims good news.

The chaotic ones were misguiding the armies of the red cross.

The shining ones had given insight to the people… a tool of lights that sat upon their tables. The words of the ancestors were studied for many years and she called them translations. The translating words were seen through the lights upon their tables. Word after word. Ancient documents passed down, somehow..through the ages. The words had been preserved.

She learned that the words of the red cross army were misunderstood..by those steel men on beasts.

They had war and power on their minds and their fists raged for control.

But those days were coming to a close and the ancestors were being remembered again.

My mother was remembered. The sacrifice in fire to their red cross god had not gone unnoticed by the Divine.

My dear girl told me that the Divine indeed had a son..and this Divine being loved us so much that the son was placed on the final altar, the sacrifice was made to bring those angry people to peace. Some listened, some did not. But their land established laws to protect our offspring and their faith would be held as sacred by their new law. Even if the leaders did not agree on our faith, they had to protect us so we could worship in peace.

I may not agree with how those angry men stole our ancestry, our heritage, and raped the land, but good came of it. After all the horrific years, our stories had not been forgotten after all.

The deaths of over 4,000 of our people’s was not forgotten, not forsaken, but added into their books of memory..she called it history.

And now here I sit, in my present day, with the lights upon my table. It’s called a computer.

Perhaps many centuries of religion has had people confused about the grace of God…maybe our ancestors, both Christian and Pagan, may have had some things wrong, some things right. But here we are today, seeking the Divine in the only language and vocabulary we know. May our actions not resemble the misguided chaotic ones who killed innocent people on behalf of ‘God’.

Surely that’s not the way Christ intended for his Gospel to be proclaimed.

Just as Americans have had to come to grips with the fact that our American ancestors killed Natives to take their land, may Christians come to grips with the fact that past misguided armies killed our ancestors unnecessarily.

Maybe we all have come to understand the Divine Creator in the only way we know how. Only He knows our hearts…and we get the easy part..love one another.

IFB Cult Survivors

I watched the 20/20 episode about the Independent Fundamental Baptist Cult with as open of a mind as I could get. After being within their movement for 15 years, I wanted to attempt to watch this segment without bias or anger from what I had been through. I watched with a careful and discerning eye and heart to see if there would be any hint of agenda to demonize the IFB unnecessarily. I wanted to make sure I wasn’t ‘seeing’ only what a revengeful spirit would want to see.

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They mentioned the case of Lydia Schatz death, which I thought was interesting, because to my knowledge they didn’t belong to an IFB Church, although they did follow the same doctrines as the IFB. I live in the county the Schatz live in and have watched their story closely. I know of many IFB churches in California and have not found an IFB church in the city they were from. So the idea that they were involved in the IFB is a bit misguided and unfounded as any kind of fact. Our local media did break an update on the Schatz story just last night, which I thought was interesting timing given the 20/20 episode airing the same night.

Although I do not believe they were connected to any legitimate IFB church, the child ‘training’ book they used by Michael and Debbie Pearl is sold in the ‘church bookstore’ of many IFB churches, including the one I came out of. I can not comment on whether or not they still provide the book at the cult I came out of, but when I left 2 years ago, it was still being sold in their church book store, along with other books by the No Greater Joy Ministries.

Another part of the 20/20 segment that some might claim to have an agenda with is the portion about women being in a subordinate role in the family and church. They showed a clip of Jack Schaap from First Baptist Church of Hammond, preaching about overweight women in what I perceive as a derogatory manner and he arrogantly stated that it would be a “cold day in hell before I ever let a woman teach me theology”. Fabulous! Didn’t he know that hell froze over?

I have met Jack Schaap. As a matter of fact, my husband and I had lunch with him just over 2 years ago, prior to us leaving the cult. He came to Northern California to preach a “revival meeting’” our church had scheduled. At one time this revival schedule lasted 6 days long and over the years was reduced to a 2 day meeting. During his time here they scheduled for all the local Northern California pastors and other wives to come have lunch with him. They chose the ministry restaurant of a mission my husband and I were on staff with, as the location of the meeting. Due to our position in that mission and our deep involvement with the IFB church, we were invited to attend. What I am about to reveal to you is a short summary of what took place that day.

The room filled with several couples, all of which I knew personally. Their husbands had been taught by my former pastors for many years either in the same church or through the ‘Bible college’ my former pastor teaches at. My former pastor was involved with assisting other churches in Northern California with arranging for these men to become pastors in their locales.  For 15 years I saw and heard these men and their wives teach and preach at various conferences, camps, and meetings all over California. A pastor seated at his table saw Jack Schaap walk in and he said to him, “I feel like I’m in the presence of royalty”, as he shook Jack’s hand.

Red Flag

The assistant pastor of the church, who is the oldest son of the pastor, seated my husband and I at the head table with Jack Schaap and his preacher boys who came with him. I had heard of the skiing accident that took the life of a young lady in his youth group and I asked him how that event affected his church’s youth group. It was an interesting discussion, perhaps I’ll share about that another time. At the close of the lunch there was a question and answer time. Each pastor (and only the men) were allowed to write out anonymous questions for Jack Schaap to answer. My husband and I were seated just to Jack’s left with a full view of the looks on all their faces as he read each card aloud and answered them.

It was amazing to us to hear that all the questions had to do with specific tactics that my former pastor had taught them. Concerns such as, “I struggle with the idea of ‘full time ministry’ and making young people to go Bible College” and “What is the controversy about the KJV about on your church’s website?” There were many more and his answers were what hit us hard. Every answer he gave was an outright disagreement and rebuke of such teachings. Every thing my former pastor had taught these men, that they asked about anonymously, were refuted in this room before our very eyes. The look on the face of my (former) pastor was rather incredible. Flushed red skin, tight jaw, frozen still.

His covers had been stripped.

One of the things Jack Schaap stressed was that the KJV is NOT the “infallible word of God”. He made it clear that day, as well as on his church website back then, that what we have is an English TRANSLATION. He went on to prove this by asking everyone to open their KJV Bibles to a specific passage and to read aloud. Several of them had different words in the same verses.  (Yes, everyone had a Bible at this luncheon. You don’t go to lunch with the ‘royal pastor’ without a KJV Bible)

Jack Schaap preached two nights. One night he preached on pride, the other night he preached on humility. His messages shook me to the core. As much as I dislike a lot of what Jack preaches, God used him that week to open our eyes. I have no evidence of what I’m about to tell you, but by discernment I believe this whole week was planned to do exactly what I saw, as a rebuke to my pastor. It seemed like a set up sting, an intervention. My husband and I have assisted many families suffering from addictions with interventions.

This is exactly what we were seeing.

The very next church serivce after Jack left, my pastor preached about the KJV. He said emphatically with red fired face and shouting at the top of his lungs, “I don’t care what ANYONE says, the KJV *is* THE infallible Word of God!”

Jaw drop.

Is his pride that bad, that the evidence shown to him at the luncheon that day, had no affect on him whatsoever?

There was another situation that happened before we finally left, but I’ll save that for another post.

Many prominent couples left my church over the years.

Some of the left rather quietly, without a word to anyone.

After we left, I searched them out. I’ll share about that soon.

I felt the 20/20 episode was done rather well. After everything I experienced in my 15 years in the IFB, I testify that their stories are not rare at all. My experience should help shed some light on that. There is currently a civil suit filed against a former youth pastor from my old church, against the pastor, as well as against the church. I was a member of that church during the time that this Jane Doe was violated. It wasn’t until after we left that we began connecting the dots. I applaud this Jane Doe for getting a lawyer, now that she’s an adult and can be her own advocate now. Her pastor should have been her advocate.

Pastor Fail.

The man in question served only 3 days in jail and it never went to trial.

The pastor told the church “The police are handling it”.

Everyone believed the pastor. Surely the pastor would do the “right” thing.

Apparently not.

I grieve for Jane Doe.

I applaud Jane Doe.

I stand with Jane Doe.

Jocelyn Zichterman is correct when she stated on 20/20, “Victims are afraid to come forward.”

If you attend an IFB church and you are afraid for your pastor to even know that you are reading all the blog posts about this and watching 20/20 that is a red flag that you are in a cult. no one should be afraid of what their pastor thinks about these things.

A truthful person doesn’t hide such things.

A truthful pastor will openly condemn the abuse happening in the IFB movement.

A false pastor will duck, hide, and avoid questions. A false pastor will make all the victims seem like liars, like they’re exaggerating.

If you are a member of the church I left and want help leaving, I’m here for you. I know how scary this all is. There is support in leaving. If you don’t believe me and think you need to print out my article to show your pastor? It’s ok, it wouldn’t be the first time someone has done that. He’ll probably pat you on the back and tell you, “Thank you. I’ll handle it.” And the moment I get threats again or hate mail I’ll publish every single bit of it. I’m tired of being harassed for telling the truth.

I’m not alone.

I have a lawyer.

Don’t be deceived by the testimony of the “nice” IFB pastor who spoke on 20/20. There are not that many IFB colleges out there, but they are massive and they do teach the same tactics. I have sat in on many “teaching conferences’ and ‘meetings’ where the tactics were taught. I was ‘trained’ up by an IFB pastor to teach and run a ministry ‘just-like-he-does’. Exactly the same way he teaches it at Golden State Baptist College.

The IFB is not a part of a hierarchical structure of over seers. They are truly independent, yet inter-woven in fellowship. There are pockets of IFB cliques that oppose one another, and at the same time will not speak openly about one another either.

Silence is a plague among the IFB.

There are survivors. Some suffered from sexual, physical, and spiritual abuse. Some have suffered from threats, shunning, and bribery to keep the exodus as quiet as possible.

These are my personal experiences and knowledge received through 15 years within their movement. Growing up in Christian Fundamentalism can be a nightmare. Get your families out of there and find a grace filled assembly where you can walk by faith and have healing.

SisterLisa

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