IFB Cult Survivors

I watched the 20/20 episode about the Independent Fundamental Baptist Cult with as open of a mind as I could get. After being within their movement for 15 years, I wanted to attempt to watch this segment without bias or anger from what I had been through. I watched with a careful and discerning eye and heart to see if there would be any hint of agenda to demonize the IFB unnecessarily. I wanted to make sure I wasn’t ‘seeing’ only what a revengeful spirit would want to see.

They mentioned the case of Lydia Schatz death, which I thought was interesting, because to my knowledge they didn’t belong to an IFB Church, although they did follow the same doctrines as the IFB. I live in the county the Schatz live in and have watched their story closely. I know of many IFB churches in California and have not found an IFB church in the city they were from. So the idea that they were involved in the IFB is a bit misguided and unfounded as any kind of fact. Our local media did break an update on the Schatz story just last night, which I thought was interesting timing given the 20/20 episode airing the same night.

Although I do not believe they were connected to any legitimate IFB church, the child ‘training’ book they used by Michael and Debbie Pearl is sold in the ‘church bookstore’ of many IFB churches, including the one I came out of. I can not comment on whether or not they still provide the book at the cult I came out of, but when I left 2 years ago, it was still being sold in their church book store, along with other books by the No Greater Joy Ministries.

Another part of the 20/20 segment that some might claim to have an agenda with is the portion about women being in a subordinate role in the family and church. They showed a clip of Jack Schaap from First Baptist Church of Hammond, preaching about overweight women in what I perceive as a derogatory manner and he arrogantly stated that it would be a “cold day in hell before I ever let a woman teach me theology”. Fabulous! Didn’t he know that hell froze over?

I have met Jack Schaap. As a matter of fact, my husband and I had lunch with him just over 2 years ago, prior to us leaving the cult. He came to Northern California to preach a “revival meeting’” our church had scheduled. At one time this revival schedule lasted 6 days long and over the years was reduced to a 2 day meeting. During his time here they scheduled for all the local Northern California pastors and other wives to come have lunch with him. They chose the ministry restaurant of a mission my husband and I were on staff with, as the location of the meeting. Due to our position in that mission and our deep involvement with the IFB church, we were invited to attend. What I am about to reveal to you is a short summary of what took place that day.

The room filled with several couples, all of which I knew personally. Their husbands had been taught by my former pastors for many years either in the same church or through the ‘Bible college’ my former pastor teaches at. My former pastor was involved with assisting other churches in Northern California with arranging for these men to become pastors in their locales.  For 15 years I saw and heard these men and their wives teach and preach at various conferences, camps, and meetings all over California. A pastor seated at his table saw Jack Schaap walk in and he said to him, “I feel like I’m in the presence of royalty”, as he shook Jack’s hand.

Red Flag

The assistant pastor of the church, who is the oldest son of the pastor, seated my husband and I at the head table with Jack Schaap and his preacher boys who came with him. I had heard of the skiing accident that took the life of a young lady in his youth group and I asked him how that event affected his church’s youth group. It was an interesting discussion, perhaps I’ll share about that another time. At the close of the lunch there was a question and answer time. Each pastor (and only the men) were allowed to write out anonymous questions for Jack Schaap to answer. My husband and I were seated just to Jack’s left with a full view of the looks on all their faces as he read each card aloud and answered them.

It was amazing to us to hear that all the questions had to do with specific tactics that my former pastor had taught them. Concerns such as, “I struggle with the idea of ‘full time ministry’ and making young people to go Bible College” and “What is the controversy about the KJV about on your church’s website?” There were many more and his answers were what hit us hard. Every answer he gave was an outright disagreement and rebuke of such teachings. Every thing my former pastor had taught these men, that they asked about anonymously, were refuted in this room before our very eyes. The look on the face of my (former) pastor was rather incredible. Flushed red skin, tight jaw, frozen still.

His covers had been stripped.

One of the things Jack Schaap stressed was that the KJV is NOT the “infallible word of God”. He made it clear that day, as well as on his church website back then, that what we have is an English TRANSLATION. He went on to prove this by asking everyone to open their KJV Bibles to a specific passage and to read aloud. Several of them had different words in the same verses.  (Yes, everyone had a Bible at this luncheon. You don’t go to lunch with the ‘royal pastor’ without a KJV Bible)

Jack Schaap preached two nights. One night he preached on pride, the other night he preached on humility. His messages shook me to the core. As much as I dislike a lot of what Jack preaches, God used him that week to open our eyes. I have no evidence of what I’m about to tell you, but by discernment I believe this whole week was planned to do exactly what I saw, as a rebuke to my pastor. It seemed like a set up sting, an intervention. My husband and I have assisted many families suffering from addictions with interventions.

This is exactly what we were seeing.

The very next church serivce after Jack left, my pastor preached about the KJV. He said emphatically with red fired face and shouting at the top of his lungs, “I don’t care what ANYONE says, the KJV *is* THE infallible Word of God!”

Jaw drop.

Is his pride that bad, that the evidence shown to him at the luncheon that day, had no affect on him whatsoever?

There was another situation that happened before we finally left, but I’ll save that for another post.

Many prominent couples left my church over the years.

Some of the left rather quietly, without a word to anyone.

After we left, I searched them out. I’ll share about that soon.

I felt the 20/20 episode was done rather well. After everything I experienced in my 15 years in the IFB, I testify that their stories are not rare at all. My experience should help shed some light on that. There is currently a civil suit filed against a former youth pastor from my old church, against the pastor, as well as against the church. I was a member of that church during the time that this Jane Doe was violated. It wasn’t until after we left that we began connecting the dots. I applaud this Jane Doe for getting a lawyer, now that she’s an adult and can be her own advocate now. Her pastor should have been her advocate.

Pastor Fail.

The man in question served only 3 days in jail and it never went to trial.

The pastor told the church “The police are handling it”.

Everyone believed the pastor. Surely the pastor would do the “right” thing.

Apparently not.

I grieve for Jane Doe.

I applaud Jane Doe.

I stand with Jane Doe.

Jocelyn Zichterman is correct when she stated on 20/20, “Victims are afraid to come forward.”

If you attend an IFB church and you are afraid for your pastor to even know that you are reading all the blog posts about this and watching 20/20 that is a red flag that you are in a cult. no one should be afraid of what their pastor thinks about these things.

A truthful person doesn’t hide such things.

A truthful pastor will openly condemn the abuse happening in the IFB movement.

A false pastor will duck, hide, and avoid questions. A false pastor will make all the victims seem like liars, like they’re exaggerating.

If you are a member of the church I left and want help leaving, I’m here for you. I know how scary this all is. There is support in leaving. If you don’t believe me and think you need to print out my article to show your pastor? It’s ok, it wouldn’t be the first time someone has done that. He’ll probably pat you on the back and tell you, “Thank you. I’ll handle it.” And the moment I get threats again or hate mail I’ll publish every single bit of it. I’m tired of being harassed for telling the truth.

I’m not alone.

I have a lawyer.

Don’t be deceived by the testimony of the “nice” IFB pastor who spoke on 20/20. There are not that many IFB colleges out there, but they are massive and they do teach the same tactics. I have sat in on many “teaching conferences’ and ‘meetings’ where the tactics were taught. I was ‘trained’ up by an IFB pastor to teach and run a ministry ‘just-like-he-does’. Exactly the same way he teaches it at Golden State Baptist College.

The IFB is not a part of a hierarchical structure of over seers. They are truly independent, yet inter-woven in fellowship. There are pockets of IFB cliques that oppose one another, and at the same time will not speak openly about one another either.

Silence is a plague among the IFB.

There are survivors. Some suffered from sexual, physical, and spiritual abuse. Some have suffered from threats, shunning, and bribery to keep the exodus as quiet as possible.

These are my personal experiences and knowledge received through 15 years within their movement. Growing up in Christian Fundamentalism can be a nightmare. Get your families out of there and find a grace filled assembly where you can walk by faith and have healing.

The Holey Cover Ups

I have always tried to make it a point to never bring up a specific denomination in my writings, and I tend to lean away from giving any additional ‘advertising’ to wacko cults who picket the world with hate signs, but sometimes justice is demanded and victims need to rise up together and speak up for the greater good.

We know that the Catholic Church has many heinous crimes of pedophiles of it’s own to deal with and I’m not going to get into targeting them, they have enough media covering that as it is. What I do want to go on record as saying is that stories like Tina Anderson’s needs to be listened to. As a Christian community, we can’t hide these stories or dismiss them as lies. As a certified counselor for victims of spiritual abuse and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder I can assure you that stories like hers are not rare, they’re just rare in getting the media’s attention.

Tonight on 20/20, Elizabeth Vargas presents her Yearlong Investigation Into The Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. You can view a snippit of tonight’s story where Tina Anderson speaks through tears about her abuse and the cover ups that followed.

It is of an absolutely broken and grieving heart that I say adamantly, that I am relieved this has been brought to light. I do not rejoice in evil..as a matter of fact I think the evil that was committed against Tina and many others like her needs to be brought to justice. I do not believe the victims are doing evil by speaking out. One should never victimize the victim further by attempting to say they are guilty of bitterness or an unforgiving heart.

I am firm in my belief about grace, but God is also just. I don’t believe he is an extremist by any means, but injustices done to the oppressed is always going to reap what it sows. I applaud Tina Anderson for speaking up. It takes GREAT COURAGE to do so!

I was deeply involved with th IFB movement for 15 years and I saw so many missing pieces over the years and many times people were hushed into silence with the accusation that anyone who speaks out is a gossip and should be rebuked. The tactics for “church discipline” are widely misused in the IFB movement. I WISH, I could say that stories like Tina’s are rare and isolated, but they aren’t.

My husband was asked to consider becoming a deacon just days before we left our former church. He declined the position and I am so thankful he did. We saw a series of events and lies snowballing and we just couldn’t continue to support their church.

Leaving was incredibly difficult because we knew that leaving would mean questions. The more people who questioned us the more we would have to explain and the more we knew that no one would believe us. We were right, no one believed us. We were called liars, trouble makers, and lies were spread around about us to discredit us so that others would shun us and be afraid to ask us any more questions.

But those who had left before us, did believe us.

I sought out many of the former members, who at one time were dear friends of mine. When I told them we had left, they finally told us their stories too. My husband sought out help from other local pastors and they also confirmed that they knew that the IFB is a cult. Although we lost the friends who decided to remain, we regained the friends who had left previously.

I began searching the Internet to see if anyone else had ever written about this movement and there were only a few small things mentioned. Over the last two years the collection of stories have increased by leaps and bounds.

The hardest part for me, in speaking out, is that I have a few friends in the blogosphere who attend IFB churches.

I am deeply sorry that these stories are difficult to read. I know the first reaction is denial and anger toward those who are speaking up about the IFB abuse. If it was an isolated case then you wouldn’t be seeing stories from all over the country that span back for decades. The next reaction might be to disconnect from me totally. Should anyone decide to do so I won’t hold it against you. But know this, now that you have heard of these incidents happening you owe it to yourself, your spouse, and your children to investigate further. Keep your eyes opened. Don’t allow your family to become victims.

For those who believe it’s time for you to leave the IFB movement, you have support. There are others who have also left and can offer friendship and encouragement to get out. If you have family members who have always been suspicious of the IFB churches, go to them for help first. They can be your advocate and help you leave. You might think I sound a bit alarming about needing help to leave, and that’s precisely the point. It’s always hard to leave. When we left, we were told by the pastor not to tell people why we left, not to contact any of our friends about it, cease all emails to them, no phone calls, etc. Our family was the first to be contacted so we could have support in leaving.

Many IFB pastors have said that these are isolated incidents, but it keeps happening in their movement. The same scenarios play out. The same way of covering up. The holey cover ups. They are full of holes. They misuse scripture to make you feel like you’re the one doing wrong, they try to justify their accusations against you as ‘discipline’ for your ‘rebellion’. Some IFB leaders have even used information you shared with them in counseling sessions as weaponry against you to keep you quiet.

So, for Tina Anderson and others like her, I stand with you.

I don’t want my blog to become an Anti-IFB resource, but over the next few days I will be sharing just a few more things about this then resume my regular style of writing.

Be safe. Help raise awareness. Offer support to those needing help to leave.

** An additional note: If you are an IFB Pastor you should be proclaiming loudly to your church about such matters and putting yourself and your staff in the hot seat of accountability so your church members know you aren’t hiding these kinds of stories. I don’t want to hear any rebukes from ANY of you for writing this article. If you will stand by these victims by boldly sending a message to all IFB Churches that you will NOT tolerate any kind of abuse or cover ups like this and you take a stand about these matters then I would applaud you. For anyone who tries to silence or belittle the victims, shame on you!

I realize that some from my former church may see this article one day and all I can say is that if you attempt to harm me for speaking up, you are best to leave me alone, but if you want help leaving the IFB Cult, I would be glad to assist you.

Recommended Resources:

Spiritual Abuse Awareness

Spiritual Abuse

IFB Watchdog

Ind. Fundamental Baptist Deception

Paradise Recovered

WellSpring Retreat Center

Cult Info

The Elephant in the Room Has a Name

Do you know what it’s like to be burned by the same person over and over again? Or maybe by a company, to the point where you cease from doing business with them and even tell your friends about their lousy customer service or horrible policies? People generally don’t make a big deal about us speaking up about these kinds of things, but when the same things are done within the religious communities, everyone wants you to hush up!

No matter how bad it gets they shout, “Hush up, don’t you dare tell people about that!”

I’m not talking about when someone or a church makes one mistake in one area and then repents and fixes it so it never happens again.

What I am talking about are habitual problems that aren’t repented of and those things which continue to get worse.

We can turn on any news program and see the latest stories about secular places of business that went for too long without oversight, who have causes thousands to suffer, and who are in huge trouble with the government.

But write a blog post about an ongoing epidemic that is plaguing the religious communities and you’re cut off!

The constant cutting off, shunning, silencing, and threatenings to keep people quiet about the massive elephants in the room isn’t going to go away not matter how many people you try to silence.

The elephants keep growing and they’re multiplying like rabbits.

The religious community is getting awfully crowded with all these elephants hanging around.

It gets so crowded that people just can’t ignore them anymore and since people don’t want to talk about it, seek to silence them, or even worse they slander them so no one will believe them…so they leave the religious communities.

Then they talk.

They blog.

They speak on radio shows.

Those who have chosen to remain crowded by their elephants will counteract those and write new blog posts, speak on radio shows, and accuse these bold people by calling them bitter, rebellious, and liars.

This is part of the problem.

Let me repeat that.

This is part of the PROBLEM!

Not only do they refuse to talk about the elephant’s mating and multiplying in their communities, now they add insult to injury by denying it publicly.

And they wonder why people leave church and don’t want to come back.

Is there a way to fix this ever increasing problem?

Probably not.

So people keep leaving.

They’re free to go.

You can’t horde them in the pews, you can’t declare curses on them if they don’t send their tithes in, and you certainly can’t send them to hell just because you wish they would burn for opening that old can of worms for all to see.

As a matter of fact, I think the can of worms has burst all on it’s own.

Those worms just won’t die.

Mark 9:48 ‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’

This blazing battle in religion just isn’t going to die easily.

The fires are consuming and the brave run for safety.

They run to the Master out in the wilderness and there they are fed.

The more the religious crowds screams their threats at those who have fled, the more those on the inside will realize their own need to escape.

The whole mentality of the religious that cry out, “Those on the outside are out to get us. They who are persecuting us, they will come for us and want to kill us.”

Give me a break.

That’s exactly what Jim Jones said to his cult followers as he convinced them to drink the Kool Aid.

Oh I’m not knocking all churches, but I am speaking up about the ongoing abusive tactics of the religious mindset that keeps spreading fear and panic about people who leave their systems.

People will get hit by cars, get cancer, miscarry babies, and suffer from divorce both inside and outside of religion.

There’s nothing magical about raising your kids in the church, in fact, many times families are so busy with church activities that they don’t have time to be a real family at home.

We are not promised a life that will never suffer. In fact, Jesus said those who are his disciples would suffer quite a bit, because of the Gospel.

But which Gospel is the one that makes the religious crowd the most angry?

It’s the same one Jesus spoke of, the same one that sent the religious crowd to crucify him over. Yes, it was the same Gospel that caused many disciples and apostles to be martyred over.

Love

If the Gospel that caused Jesus to die, was the one taught in many churches today, the Pharisees would not have killed him. They would have embraced it, because they embraced the Law.

Jesus didn’t preach the Law and exclusion of sinners. He preached grace and the inclusion of sinners. One need not be a Jew to have a relationship with God. Everyone was now welcome to the Royal Family.

Many of the Jews didn’t like this.

Some of them did and they embraced the Gospel.

Now their friends and neighbors were included!

Religion is about exclusion.

Relationship is about inclusion.

Religion binds and controls.

Relationship sets people free.

It’s not easy to have intimate relationships inside of religion.

The constant pointing out of sin and fear of punishment keeps people divided and suspicious of one another.

Trust dies.

Love waxes cold.

There’s an elephant in the room alright.

It’s called religion.

The rules of living the rigid lifestyle to think you need to to get grace, to keep you from falling from grace, to make you think you can lose your salvation, that makes you fear that God will strike you down with lightning if you don’t perform religious rituals… yes ..religion. The very same thing John told in his revelation of Christ. The mindset of religion that ‘kills’ those in the name of their god, who murders the name of a brother for believing love wins, the same thing that put our Savior on the cross. Religion.

The letter of the Law kills, but the Spirit gives Life!

If you aren’t finding this freedom to love, to wander free by faith and explore this wonderful life Christ gave us, then flee to the mountains my friends. Jesus will feed you, because you are His and he will never leave you nor forsake you.

It may seem as though you are walking through the valley of the shadow of death, but there is no need to fear evil there.

He comforts us.

He loves us.

Be free.

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Pro Choice Grace

After over a decade of living according to someone else’s rules, out of fear that I was somehow responsible for all men who might fall to lust, I escaped that trap of bondage. I didn’t grow up in a traditional Christian home. My family considered themselves Christians, but certainly not a discipled Christian family. I honestly didn’t understand what a Christian even was until much later in life. I grew up in Southern California, spending most of my summers at the beach. I don’t recall ever hearing the word ‘modest’ until I stepped foot in an old fashioned hell fire damnation church in my early twenties. I stepped away from a partying type of world into a very controlled religious environment.

Talk about going from one extreme to the other!

After leaving that place of control, which was motivated by fear, my pendulum began to swing once again. I knew I didn’t want to go all the way back to the other extreme, so I planted my feet firmly in the foundation of Christ and began what I consider to be my most diligent search for practical Christian living, ever.

I didn’t want to be a legalist, nor did I want to go back to living the life of a Prodigal Daughter. I desperately needed to know where grace was going to help be stay balanced in the middle. I was looking for a middle ground, because quite frankly I couldn’t find grace in the legalistic extreme, nor could I find anything healthy on the Prodigal side of life.  There has been a lot that I realized by living on both sides of the spectrum and one of the most profound things I have seen is a total lack of balance if we remain on either side.

The Prodigals aren’t able to accurately describe their pain in a way that the legalists can understand. Most Prodigals are hurting and angry and many lack the ability to express that in ways a legalist will even think to listen to. The legalists are so far right that they can’t hear of someone else’s pain, especially if they are the ones who inflicted such pain, because they feel totally justified in their beliefs, regardless of whether or not someone is hurt by it. They often use the Bible as their justification for being harsh.

This is a dilemma that covers many cultural decisions we face as Christians and neither end of the spectrum seems to be able to see clearly.

Can we come to the middle and discuss a few things?

I wrote about the legalistic side of modesty and how it can become destructive as we place unnecessary burdens on women. Attempting to make women perform religiously in their attire isn’t going to help a man’s problem with lust anymore than his attempts to make scripture memorization some kind of sin repellent.

Now lets take a look at the other side of the coin on this issue.

This is the side where I feel is best studied as a disciple of Christ. If you have no desire to be discipled, then this isn’t for you. A person is certainly free to walk away from becoming a disciple. That is where I stand firmly as a pro choice advocate for believers. I am pro choice in regard to believers having the choice to become a disciple or not. I hold nothing against those who decide to walk away from this part of the Christian life. It’s not an easy endeavor at all and there are many battles within Christendom that are not easy to deal with. I don’t believe that becoming a disciple is mandatory. I believe that is between the person and Christ.

When a person is ready to become a disciple, I think they need to find someone who is balancing as close to the middle as possible so you can learn to avoid the extremes that are both as unhealthy as the other.

There is a life in Christ that is neither Prodigal or Legalist.

Yes, it’s possible!

Becoming a legalist is not going to protect you from falling to sin. In fact, I think being a legalist is probably more dangerous than being a Prodigal. When one is a legalist they become very good at covering up their problems and fail to be able to find help, because their other legalistic brethren will not show grace. They want to hold everyone as close to the farthest side of ‘right’ as they can. This makes it very difficult to allow God to do His part.

Mankind tends to get in his way like that.

Don’t fall!

I’m so sorry, but falling is a part of life.

I don’t mean that you should go jump off the cliff, but if we think we can’t fall then we are deceived.

Just when you think you can’t fall, because you’ve taken all the ‘far right side’ precautions, it is then that you just might.

God wants us to walk by faith.

Walking by faith can’t be achieved when we are walking on the ‘solid-rightness-of-I-will-never-fall-because-I-live-by-the-rules’ end of the spectrum.

Discipleship.

Your choice.

I support your choice.

I’m Pro Choice like that.

I think God is too. (and I’ll write about this soon, so lets not get argumentative about that before the article is actually published. Please hold off on your ‘Farewell Sisterlisa’ tweets ok?)

So you decided to become a disciple and now you’re wondering what this Modesty issue is all about.

Our freedom, the Liberty that the apostle Paul wrote of. Ya, that liberty thing.

It’s like a super power. We were given the power to become the sons (and daughters) of God.

There’s a power in this grace.

It’s like the comic books. A person realizes they have come into some kind of super power and often the first thing they need to decide is how they will use that super power.

Will they become a villain or a hero?

What will you do with this power called grace?

Would you like to depart with your inheritance like the Prodigal Son? Are you a rogue wild stallion?

Will you be a controlling dictator trying to harness everyone else’s power to create your own legion of soldiers?

Lets talk about learning how to become a team in this powerful world of grace.

Modesty is a super power when grace is involved.

Paul called it temperance.

In the comic series X-Men, Cyclops wears a special kind of glasses that controls his super laser vision, that without the glasses would destroy everything he looks at.

A woman is created beautifully. God created her. The first woman was Eve and I bet she was a total knock out!

Prior to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Adam never viewed her with a lustful eye. He probably looked at her and admired her beauty in every aspect, just like God does. (which, by the way, IS possible)

After feasting on that cursed tree, he now views her through tainted vision and lust conceives.

Many people in the world today, both in churches and outside churches, feast on that same tree.

Us women can’t control their vision. That is between the men and God.

But our beauty, our curves, our skin, is power. It can be used for evil or for good.

In my former life I used it for evil. I flaunted my female powers of persuasion for my own selfish reasons.

And it works.

But a female disciple of Christ should be mindful of this and choose to conceal that power, like Cyclops does with his special glasses.

I know I am free in Christ. My sin is covered by the blood, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to run nude in the streets.

Give me a break!

Don’t laugh, but I’d probably scare the poor guys more than cause them to lust.

But there are women with great figures, fabulous tans, and great curves.

They have a greater burden to bear, their super power is heightened by these natural attractions that GOD gave them.

Some beautiful women will tell you they feel like it’s a curse.

No matter how professionally they dress, they are victims of lustful men who have no self control.

We need to find balance.

It’s a personal choice and for those who have made the choice to be as modest as possible, I thank you.

I applaud you.

But even the most modestly clothed woman can have a very impure heart in her attack on women who don’t want to be disciples.

Those women are no better than the hooker in Hollywood who flaunts her power to make money with married men.

The Prodigal and the Legalist are equals.

And anyone smack dab in the middle are just as equal in God’s eyes and we’re all living out our choices.

The only thing that holds us together in unity is love.

Grace covers it all.

Colossians 3:12Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, 13bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. 14And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony. 15And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body. And be thankful.

Eucharisteo!

That very difficult place where being thankful is so very hard.

That’s why we need His humility to manifest in our lives.

Don’t attack the beautiful women, they have a greater burden of beauty to bear. We should be their sisters in support!

We work better together when we’re linked arm in arm advancing forward for the cause of Christ, which is love.

If you want to be a disciple, use your power of grace wisely.

It’s your choice.

Related Articles:

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Sin Repellent is Worthless

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Sin Repellent is Worthless

I did everything I could to be good Christian lady. I was new to church and it was my very first time sitting in the Ladies Bible Study. The pastor teaches the women at this Ladies Bible Study. I sure wish women actually did that, but it was new to me and I wondered what he would have to say to encourage us. I wasn’t raised in a strict church, I occasionally attended a Lutheran Church growing up, but clothing was never spoken about there. When the pastor of this little church I visited said that women wearing short skirts and pants were a hindrance to men my heart sank.

I was wearing shorts that day.

I felt embarrassed.

I didn’t realize wearing shorts was a bad thing. Every woman I had ever known in my life wore shorts. I sulked in my chair, looking around and noticed I was the only one wearing shorts. I couldn’t wait to go home. I didn’t want to get up and walk out at that moment,

I was afraid of what they would say.

I was afraid to be judged.

My life was out of control and I wanted to have some better guidelines to live by. I think somehow I equated dressing more professionally would give me a better path to walk down so I stayed and kept listening. What I didn’t realize was that this teaching was trying to create a sin repellent. Somehow, if  all women dressed as the pastor said we should dress, it would help reduce the amount of sinful lusts the pastor and other men had. Another thing this teaching did, was create a burden on all women to help stop men from falling into their lusts. This is a terrible burden to put on women, who are the weaker vessels. How can a woman, who is the weaker vessel, help stop men from falling into their own lust problems?

I am a woman and I have a word for all you men who think we need to cover up in order to protect you from falling into sin.

We aren’t Jesus Christ!

When a woman decides she wants to dress modestly it needs to be because she and the Lord have had a discussion about it between themselves. It should never be a burden to them that somehow THEY can help YOU to stop having lustful thoughts. Furthermore, I think it is an awful shame that any other women are repeating this message to their own sisters in Christ.

We aren’t Jesus Christ!

A woman does not have the ability to stop a man from his lust problem. He must go to Jesus for that. Only Christ can free them from the thoughts that plague their minds and hearts.

I think we tend to forget that God created Adam and Eve naked and they were not ashamed. Lust began when the deception was planted. The deception… “you’re naked”. The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is feasted upon today by many, especially those in religion.

The tree of religion.

Prior to entering that bible study, I had never thought about shorts as being a sinful thing. Before that day, I had never been told “you’re naked”. Somehow, wearing shorts meant I was “naked”..according to this preacher. At that moment I felt ashamed. I felt as if I needed to cover up. Do you see how the serpent’s lies continue through religion?

My shorts were not super short, they were almost to my knees. They weren’t tight, and I was wearing a long spring jacket that was almost as long as my shorts were. Over time my wardrobe began to change. I began covering up more and more. All because I was told “you’re naked”, “it’s your responsibility to help men to stop lusting”. This teaching put me in bondage. The more I heard this kind of teaching the more suspicious I became of men. I couldn’t trust any of them.

Not even the pastor.

As time went on, I learned from him that we could no longer hug a friend of the opposite gender. A hug might cause him to stumble and want more than  hug. I was taught that we could not look into a man’s eyes for more than  a simple hello, because the eyes can lead to temptation in their thoughts. All these rules heightened our suspicions of the men in the church. It eventually plagued the friendships of the women. The women no longer wanted other women to come to their homes unless they were properly covered up. It also lead to women not being able to have conversations with the men, so the women would often end up fellowshipping in another room separate from the men.

All to avoid sin.

Something I was noticing along the way was that this kind of sin repellent wasn’t working.

Women were whispering over the phone about how Mrs. So and So’s husband is having an affair with another woman in the church. And Miss Teen So and So was molested and Mr Youth Leader was sent away without a trial in court. The accusations began.. it was the woman’s fault. Just like Eve.

Now we couldn’t trust anyone at the church.

Everyone became a potential threat to our goldy lives. The blame is always put on the woman.

When do the men ever take responsibility for their own problems?

Those men are building up walls of religion and filling their repellent bottles with scripture memorization in hopes that women won’t cause them to lust. They hope that by making women cover up, and quoting verses in their minds will keep them from sinning. They put on blinders to keep their eyes from wandering and scream at women for causing them to sin.

The other women develop a hatred for one another and their sisterhood in Christ is hindered by their suspicions.

Fear festers.

The gangrene of carnality leads us to the operating table where we experience amputation of our limbs.

The cancer doesn’t stop.

It appears to be in remission, but it comes back stronger than ever.

Our dear brothers, when will you realize that we can’t stop you from lusting? When will it dawn on you that lust is your problem, not ours?

You teach us women that we are the weaker vessels and you dare to put your lust problems on our shoulders, when Christ already took your sin to the cross!

When will you take up His cross instead of making us take up yours?

Dear sisters in Christ, when will you stop blaming all of us for your husband’s problems?

When will you cease from making us carrying your husband’s crosses and yours to boot?!

Christ took sin to the grave and left it there!

All these attempts to create your own sin repellent doesn’t work.

James 1: 13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. (KJV)

The key we all need to realize is that we already died to sin.

Romans 6: 5For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7For one who has died has been set free from sin. 8Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

When we continue to live by the Law, we reject the finished work of Christ through his death and resurrection. The Law, your sin repellent, can’t save you. Jesus already saved you.

1 Peter 2:24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.

You have already been healed of sin, you simply fail to walk in the reality of the finished work of Christ.

Someone is feeding you with lies of religion, telling you that you are naked. Making you feel ashamed and trying to convince you to cover yourself with fig leaves.

Genesis 3:11 11He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?”

Watch this… Adam says the same thing that many preachers and our own sisters say to us..

Genesis 3:12The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.”

Why do men keep blaming the women?

Until the time Christ came, the ground was cursed because of MAN.

God dealt very specifically with Adam (man) because of HIS choice to eat the forbidden fruit.

God remains the same yesterday, today, and forever and he says specifically..

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, 17but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

So long as you keep feasting on the tree of religion, you will continue to perish in your deeds. You will continue to think you’re naked and try to cover up with your religious walls, your blinders, and spray sin repellent all over everyone around you. You continue to walk in suspicion of women and women continue to mistrust each other.

The truth is that Christ came and covered us with His own righteousness. We realize our death became a reality in Christ’s death. We died with him and our sin was taken to the grave. We were resurrected with Him and can now walk in the newness of life.

We are naked once again, before the Lord God and not ashamed.

Christ is our covering and we walk in grace.

Your struggles with sin is not our fault.

Face Christ and walk in the reality of your freedom from sin and it will no longer have dominion over you.

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Mercy Triumphs Over Judgment

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There’s a story that you may have read being sent through a “FWD” via email about a woman carrying water pots every day, with one cracked and leaking water. What she didn’t know was that someone else had known about this leaky pot and planted seeds on that side of the road so the water would cause the seeds to grow. It created a beautiful garden along the road side, providing beauty and showing them that even a cracked pot could bring forth something glorious. I wonder if anyone else had thought that maybe this tragedy in Japan is a “cracked pot” that will bring a blessing?

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Ann writes in her book, ‘One Thousand Gifts’ that thankfulness precedes a miracle. I also noticed that the media has reported an amazing thing about the Japanese people during this tragedy. The Japanese people are cooperating with their government and with one another during this time. When Katrina hit, all ‘you-know-what’ broke loose in New Orleans and many people began looting, raping, and killing each other. So which country exhibits the works of the flesh and which one has the fruit of the Spirit? Yes, the earth quakes..and the tsunamis hit..and Japan wasn’t the only nation who suffered. But God’s glory will be seen and in many ways already has.

Have you seen the responses on their faces when they could finally use the phones and hear their loved ones speaking to them? That they lived? Did you read about the 4 month old baby girl who lived after being swept away from her parents? They are thankful to be alive. The ‘eucharisteo’ that Ann speaks of. To be patient and thankful in adversity…Japan has exhibited that..whereas New Orleans lacked quite a bit of that. And America is supposedly known as the nation of “God”? May God find us faithful to love and be thankful when adversity hits us. So what is it that Japan has that causes their people to be cooperative and helpful to their neighbors? I think they are being quit an example to us over here in America. I pray their “cracked pot waters the soil” and may we recognize the glorious work of our Lord instead of trying to condemn them with our westernized view of Christianity. God turns things around for his GLORY. May the grace abound all the more.

I think that Christians have a lot to learn when it comes to going through adversity. Perhaps the freedom they all enjoy in America has them so spoiled that they have lacked compassion on others when they suffer. Many times I see Christians raging with condemnation for others as they suffer. Why do so many Christians thrive on judgment, when mercy triumphs over judgment? Why do they find such pleasure in their flesh when jumping on the bandwagon to rub in more condemnation on top of what they’re already suffering? Do you attend funerals of those who didn’t agree with your theology with picket signs that say they deserved to die? Do you attempt to “sweetly” poison people with smooth words of hate to insist on your version of why tragedy strikes? Why can’t we be more like Christ who grieves and weeps for people? Where’s the compassion for people who suffer? Why do so many Christians demand their “freedom of speech” that kills people all the more. It’s as if they find pleasure in ‘killing the body and mind in Gehenna’.

I don’t care how nicely you try to say that you think tragedy is a judgment and hell is deserving..the listener hears “I hate you and think you deserve this”. No matter how sweet you say it, you still sound like the cult who pickets funerals with hate signs. They just amp up their voices louder than other Christians do..they believe the same message many western Christians do, they just obey it to the letter whereas the others seem to be afraid of what they believe. If they really practiced what they preached they’d join the same funeral picket lines.

There’s something deeper inside us though, I think. I sure hope you hear that same voice I hear.. “Be still and know that I am God” Do we hear him stilling our voices before the words leave our vocal chords? We hesitate holding up a picket sign that says people are hated and deserving of judgment. Maybe we hesitate because the message isn’t clear and God is trying to get our attention.

Maybe there’s a deeper truth God is teaching us through this tragedy in Japan. Maybe he wants us to hear what he has to say about mercy and grace. Do you love your neighbor (Japan) as you love yourself? If your home was destroyed in a tornado would you tell everyone you know that you suffered a tornado because you were in some kind of sin that only God knew of? Or maybe these earthquakes, tsunamis, and tornadoes are natural occurrences that have been happening for many years as a result of the earth growing? Maybe these tragedies are not judgments, but rather tests, like what Job went through.

Will we be like Job’s wife or like Job? Will we toss the tragedy around as if it’s a curse or as if it’s a blessing?

Eucharisteo indeed.

James 2:12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty.

The law of liberty is in Christ. This is where freedom is. The freedom to receive grace, the freedom to offer grace.

Do we speak and act as people of grace?

James 2:13 For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

I would be very very cautious of running to heap judgment on people without mercy. Those who show no mercy are denied mercy to themselves. You see, God believes that mercy triumphs over judgment.

Romans 11:32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

People of wonderful grace reach out to others with wonderful grace. People who walk after judgment, are people of judgment.

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How the Unbiblical Becomes Law

This is a hypothetical situation, yet it happens to women all over the world in a variety of churches. You can exchange any of the symbolism for anything, such as men wearing a suit and tie or girls wearing culottes. The point to be made here is how unbiblical these rules really are. I am not opposed to a dress code for presentation purposes. If you sing in a public choir, then I can understand dress requirements. However, there are no dress requirements to receiving grace. Grace is unmerited, unearned love. It’s the mercy that God gives us because of Christ. Your salvation is not contingent upon the length of your dress or if you wear jeans and flip flops to worship God. Our relationship with Christ is not performance based. Our salvation is in Christ alone and His grace is lavished upon us.

Woman goes to church.

Likes the music, enjoys the people.

Begins inviting friends to this church.

Pastor discovers she likes to sing..and is good at it..

Invites her to join the choir.

She joins.

She enjoys the choir.

Pastor announces rules for singing in the choir.

Involves wearing nylons.

Woman dislikes nylons. She prefers flip flops.

But she wants to sing to the Lord.

Pastor enforces nylon rule.

She struggles.

Pastor makes announcement.. “Obey the man of God”

She’s thinking.

He enforces nylons.

She still dislikes nylons, but wants to sing. She asks for an appointment to discuss nylons.

Pastor tells her it’s a guideline to singing in the choir.

She asks why nylons are a prerequisite to singing praises to God.

Pastor tells her to ‘obey the man of God’ or she is ‘in rebellion’

She quits the choir and sings in her pew.

Pastor preaches that those who quit serving God are sinners and in rebellion to God.

Woman is afflicted in her soul.

She asks God.. “Do I need to wear nylons to serve you?”

God says “No, sing to me again, I love hearing you sing”

Pastor’s wife asks her, “Why have you quit serving God in the choir?”

Woman is speechless. Thinks. Replies;

“I sing to God many times a day and in my seat… and I don’t need to wear nylons to do so”

Pastor’s wife says, “That’s not really serving God. Singing in the choir is serving God. You are in rebellion”

Woman asks, “Where does it say in the Bible that I can only serve God with my singing, in the choir while wearing nylons?”

Pastor overhears and says, “Don’t question the man of God. You’re in rebellion”

Nylons and singing in the choir became ‘biblical’ and are not in the Bible

Refusing nylons and singing in the choir, became ‘rebellion to the pastor’.

Is she REALLY in rebellion?

We are not in rebellion if we choose not to sing in the choir, assist in a  Sunday School class, or even pass out tracts with the church address. We are not going to disappoint God if we don’t give money to an institution or if we decide to go to a different fellowship for worship. Our identity is not in which church we gather with, our identity is in Christ alone.

Acts 17: 26-28 “And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, 27 that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, 28 for “‘In him we live and move and have our being’; as even some of your own poets have said, “‘For we are indeed his offspring.”

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The Battle Between Law Givers and Grace Embracers

As I sit here and listen to music by David Bruce, my heart and mind is drawn to a place of sadness for those who continually battle with the Law. I always find it so amazing when God speaks to my heart through His musicians. In the Old Testament days of battles, it was the musicians, the worshipers, that went forth ahead of the armies of God. I don’t think He is drawing me into a state of sadness within myself, but rather a realization of this battle between Law givers and those who embrace grace. 
I think of Mary, as she sat at the feet of our Messiah, worshiping him while Martha wanted Christ to give a command to Mary to help in the kitchen. I noticed something about Mary. Mary didn’t argue with Martha. She didn’t even respond. She sat silently, admiring the beauty of our Lord.  Did Martha not understand grace yet? Why was she so quick to be a ‘law giver’ to her sister who was adoring the very person of grace?
Then her brother, Lazarus, was laid to rest in his grave. Now, Martha is frantic wondering why Jesus wasn’t there. Jesus waits a couple more days before coming to see these sisters. Upon His arrival, Martha questions him. It seems as though she doubts his love for them. Again, showing a demanding spirit towards our Lord. He groans in his spirit and he weeps. He doesn’t rebuke her, he lavishes grace upon them all as He raises Lazarus from the dead. They did nothing to deserve that, he simply loved them.
How many times will our own brothers and sisters make the same demands, the same giving of the Law, to those who have experienced grace? Why must those who walk according to the Law demand that those who walk in grace by faith, leave that faith and walk according to the Law? The Law was a schoolmaster, but we have no more need of a schoolmaster.

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
We can’t force people to stay in school well after their training years are over. That would be bondage. There comes a time in each person’s life when they begin to really walk by faith. When we try to force them to walk by the Law after faith has already come, we are stealing their walkabout with God. We are yanking the very faith right out from under their feet. It’s time to let them go.
Those who do walk by faith are excited, they are joyful, they are experiencing the ‘walking on water’ that Peter experienced. The walk of faith. As Peter and John said, “We can’t help but to speak those things we have seen and heard” Acts 4:20 The Law givers forbade them from speaking of this grace, this walk of faith, but they continued to speak.
Acts 4: 29And now, Lord, look upon their threats and grant to your servants to continue to speak your word with all boldness, 30while you stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of your holy servant Jesus.” 31And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness. 
If Peter and John had been preaching the Law, the Law givers would not have silenced them. It was because they spoke of faith in Christ, the grace that lavishes mankind. The Law givers don’t like grace. Some struggle with grace, secretly they long for it, but perhaps they are afraid of it. They want to jump ship and walk on the water with Jesus, but will they sink like Peter did when he doubted?
There is always the risk that they will sink, but Jesus didn’t forsake Peter. He was still there with him. He is with you…do you want to walk in grace by faith?
So what do you do with the Law? We walk in the Spirit and we love. We allow love to be our Law, not the letter. The letter of the law kills, but love is life by His Spirit. 
I’m not going to give a point by point ‘how to’ walk in grace by faith. There isn’t one. It’s stepping out where there is no visible step, believing there will be a stepping stone, believing by faith.
Just ask Him to be your guide. What is the worst that can happen? Life is going to throw you lemons, and sometimes have them thrown at you. You might fall, you might not. You’ll never know, but Christ does and He will always be with you.
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Spiritual Abuse Awareness

After two years of rediscovering who I am in Christ, God has crossed my path with several others who suffered from spiritual abuse. We have discussed in depth over these two years, the negative effects of spiritual abuse and the characteristics of it. We found that spiritual abuse is not isolated to any one specific denomination, as a matter of fact, we saw it throughout many world religions.
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We have declared January, Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month. Many of us are writings article of our journey to freedom and will be posting them at the blog Spiritual Abuse Awareness.
We do not want to use this blog as a place to be negative or hurtful to others. We want it to be factual and testimonial. We want to raise awareness, offer resources, and encourage others who have felt battered, shunned, and unloved by abusive religion.
If you have been on a journey to freedom and would like to contribute your testimony to the blog to help others heal, contact me at sisterlisa {at} spiritualabuseawareness.com

If you are still suffering, there is hope. There is support. You’re not alone.


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The Battle and It’s Wounded Soldiers

Sometimes people are so convinced that if you’re not in a church that you are somehow in retreat, but that’s not what I am finding among the believers that I know who don’t belong to an Institutional Church. Yes, there are many wounded soldiers and sadly most of them have been wounded by those we thought were on the same team. Is there any other religion that shoots it’s own soldiers when they’re down than Christianity?
There’s a battle raging within Christianity today and it is crippling the momentum that should be advancing on the field. Christianity has become Churchianity in many places all over the world and their focus left Christ a long time ago. Now our wounded soldiers are having to deal with how to be strategically wise in order to protect themselves and their loved ones from the very ‘brethren’ we fought alongside for so many years.
I’ve never served in the military, but I’ve read and studied enough to know that not every branch serves in some capacity. Each one specializes in a specific area and if each branch could work together in supporting one another we can become quite powerful to the pulling down of strongholds once again. But somewhere along the way they forgot about pulling down strongholds and they are more concerned with recruiting people into their branches to just increase numbers. I remember meeting with a recruiter for the Air Force when I was 18 years old. I wanted to be a pilot in the Air Force. The recruiter gave me all the information, but asked me to be sure this was the branch I really wanted to be a part of. There are other branches I could have chosen and I still would have been on the same team, The United States of America. Now that I think about it, you don’t have to be in any military branch in order to be on this team, even the civilians are still on the same team and our taxes pay for those soldiers. We all need one another.
So I try to think about this in terms of my faith and the fellowships we all form in our own towns. We each have a function and God will place us where He wants us. There are also wounded soldiers who have been inflicted great harm at the hands of other soldiers and some abusive leaders have misused their positions to punish unjustly. There is corruption all around us and it has been said many times that an outside enemy doesn’t have the power to destroy us, the power to destroy comes from within it’s own department.
We each have a function and we need to discover what that is through God’s Spirit guiding us. Maybe you feel like you are a wounded soldier never able to get back in the battle…but may I remind you of something the apostle Paul said? He said “Love never ends”. {1 Corinthians 13} The command to love remains steadfast and there is where we can be of use in this multifaceted ministry of reconciliation. Even the military hospitals have doctors, nurses, and staff to help the wounded to heal…they’re still all a part of the progress of defending freedom.
If God reveals to you that you have wounded one of our own, could you seek Him in depth on how you can reconcile? Even if you agree to disagree, can it be done in love and through peace? Lets remain linked arm in arm advancing on the field in the victory that has already been given to us through Christ. The freedom in Him to love one another and help spread the Gospel.. Christ came to set us free.


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